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I have had mixed advice from repair garages on what type of gas to burn in my 66'with a 428 motor. Been told the engine can handle unleaded ultra-premium (minimum 92 Octane), but that I should adding octane booster. Also been told that the motor needs a Lead additive, or the valves will be damaged.Poor idling will be one sign of damage. Recommended aviation fuel mix with ultra-premiunm along with lead additive. Have not had car running all that many miles since owning (Oct 08')but I have been burning ultra Sunoco 93 and recently added some octane booster. Does this engine require lead and/or octane booster? Tks,Greg
 
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If you are using your 'bird for normal cruising, the Sunoco fuel is probably just fine. If you were towing a trailer or boat then a lead additive might be helpful. I can't vouch for that because I don't use it in my 'bird. Check your initial igniton timing and adjust to 10 degrees BTDC with the vacuum advance temporarily disconnected and the line plugged. Sunoco is not available where I live but if it were, I'd try even bumping up the timing a bit. If you don't experience any pinging, another couple of degrees of intial timing up to about 5 max. will give you a bit more performance. In any case, avoid retarding the timing if you can. Late ignition timing will raise average cylinder temperatures and sometimes result in engine damage, not limited to valve recession/burning, and other problems. BTW, I have been driving my '66 since April of 1966, no burned valves yet.
 
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If you are using your 'bird for normal cruising, the Sunoco fuel is probably just fine. If you were towing a trailer or boat then a lead additive might be helpful. I can't vouch for that because I don't use it in my 'bird. Check your initial igniton timing and adjust to 10 degrees BTDC with the vacuum advance temporarily disconnected and the line plugged. Sunoco is not available where I live but if it were, I'd try even bumping up the timing a bit. If you don't experience any pinging, another couple of degrees of intial timing up to about 5 max. will give you a bit more performance. In any case, avoid retarding the timing if you can. Late ignition timing will raise average cylinder temperatures and sometimes result in engine damage, not limited to valve recession/burning, and other problems. BTW, I have been driving my '66 since April of 1966, no burned valves yet.

Please excuse my ignorance. When you say add more timing, do you mean go from 10 BTDC to 15 or to 5. On hightest fuel, should I be able to run the car without pinging or detonation with the vacuum advance hose connected?
 
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Thanks for the reply Kandiapple. I have had timing set as you stated and have never had any pinging issues. What I am told is some engines in this period did not yet have the hardened blocks, that caused issues. I will continue to burn my Ultra. Greg
 
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You advance timing by going up in numbers and of course retard by going down.

If interested, you are setting the point at which the spark plug fires. Logic might say this should be at max pressure or TDC. The problem is (and we talking about microseconds) it takes gasoline a little while to get going. So the manufacturer figures out when the flame front is at its peak, computes backward when the ignition has to start and that is the spec used for ignition timing. This is why you have to play with timing if you use some other fuel. Hydrogen for instance would use a timing closer to 0.
 
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To Todd, I mean increasing the initial to a maximum of 15 degrees total BTDC. There is no point in discussing how much timing your engine SHOULD be able to run. It either will accept a given amount of intial or it won't. There are many variables which will affect your specific case. The engine will ultimately tell you what it wants and what it won't tolerate.
Gregory, There are only a few FE cylinder heads that had hardened valve seats from the factory. This is a topic of some debate among FE afficianados. Most '68 and up heads can benefit from having the exhaust valve seats machined for hardened inserts but is not strictly manditory, IMO. Also, there is no such thing as a hardened cylinder block per se, BTW. The earlier heads will give satisfactory service as produced, if you don't abuse them.
 
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